Ma Ying-jeou – he said WHAT?

One  of his more shaky performances

One of his more shaky performances

CNN‘s Christiane Amanpour interviewed Taiwan’s president Ma Ying-jeou (馬英九, aired on April 30). Ma replied to her question about Taiwan’s independence that the Republic of China had been independent for 99 years, and that there was no need to declare independence twice. What seems to have caught more attention was Ma’s statement that Taiwan would never ask America to fight for Taiwan in a war. Taiwan’s former representative to the U.S., Joseph Wu (吳釗燮), said that

“[Ma] is saying that in the future it will be a walk in the park for China to invade Taiwan (…) Using the word ‘never’ means we have completely ruled out the idea of asking the US for help and that they can stand aside. This is an extremely unfair comment to make to our most important friend.”

Hsiao Bi-khim (蕭美琴), head of the Democratic Progressive Party’s (DPP) international department, accused Ma of drawing a line in Taiwan’s relationship with America, or eliminating the traditional American vagueness in its commitment to Taiwan’s security (在跟美國劃清界線). The president had thus de-internationalized Taiwan’s relations with China and abandoned international leeway.

Premier Wu Den-yih (吳敦義) and presidential spokesman Lo Chih-chiang (羅智強) emphasized that the president only meant to say that Taiwan was determined to defend itself. “The remark showed our determination and confidence. This is what a leader [should say],” Wu said. “Or are we going to say that we are looking for protection from other nations?”

But neither the government nor the opposition are trying to state Taiwan’s situation as it is. That’s not to say that either can paint a picture that would be definitely correct. But to suggest that Taiwan can defend itself, on its own, if China goes on a full-blown attack is a pipe dream – and easy to be identified as such by any reasonable mind.

On the other hand, the opposition could – at least for a theoretical discussion – base its arguments on hints that ASEAN and other regional countries would rather sign a free-trade agreement (FTA) with Taiwan after seeing one signed between Taiwan and China. To my knowledge, no ASEAN or other regional government has jumped up yet and told Taiwan – or the world – that they would sign FTAs with Taiwan either way.

And to suggest that America would stay on the sidelines in case of a war, simply because no request for help is being made, doesn’t look realistic either. In any case, America will only intervene if it believes it is in its own national interest – for strategic reasons, or for reasons of creditworthiness with its allies in many other parts of the world.

The question remains why Ma said what he said. Why his statement that Taiwan would “never ask”? To improve the atmosphere across the strait, with China? To improve the atmosphere across the Pacific, with America? Or both? Was it based on a completely unknown calculation?

What some Blue-Camp statements leaves the impression that they are themselves uneasy with president Ma’s statement and the implications – or the impressions anyway – it might have internationally, and particularly in Beijing. KMT legislator and chairman of the Legislative Yuan’s Diplomacy and National Defense Committee Lin Yu-fang (林郁方) suggests that the president should have used the word “won’t”, rather than “never”, so as to leave himself more leeway (同時用字也可保留一些空間).

My impression when watching the CNN interview on youtube was that the president left a much less confident impression there than in the televised ECFA debate with DPP chairwoman Tsai Ing-wen (蔡英文) on April 25. He was hardly in his best form.

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12 Responses to “Ma Ying-jeou – he said WHAT?”

  1. “And to suggest that America would stay on the sidelines in case of a war, simply because no request for help is being made, doesn’t look realistic either.”

    I think you are overlooking the big picture. I have recently read Melvyn Goldstein’s History of Modern Tibet Part I. It is an easy but long read and an amazing research success. Goldstein presents a convincing case that states that one of the main reasons why Tibet failed to gain firmer commitments from Great Britain and the US when it would have really mattered is that the Tibetans did not insist loudly enough on their autonomy with a unified voice. The problem was much more complicated than that of course. Much of the blame for the result lies with Britain, the US and India. Regardless of the reasons, Tibetan society was divided and was sending mixed messages to the outside world.

    The problem with Ma’s comment is that it comes after almost two years of his comments in favor of outdated ROC ideology — a non-starter way to maintain Taiwan’s autonomy because most of the world has long since accepted that the legitimate Chinese government is run from Beijing. Additionally, you can’t be much more decisive than saying you will “never” do something.

    So how are supporters in the US, such as Robert Andrews, supposed to take this. Andrews just made an impassioned speech in which he said that the US should take steps to recognize Taiwan and step up its commitments. Well, Andrews now looks a bit silly, doesn’t he? How about the other congressmen who have been pushing Obama to move forward on the F-16 sale? How do they look? How can Taiwan rely on the support of these people if the “president” of the ROC maintains that such support will “never” be needed. Of course, he did not say that he doesn’t want US support, but the strength of this sound bite, in or out of context, is striking, and it could be interpreted to mean that Taiwan is determined to handle China alone.

    Such comments highten international confusion of what Taiwan really wants. The collected proclamations of politicians such as Ma, Lian Chan, Wu Poh-hsiung and others are creating an atmosphere in which Taiwan’s precarious situation can be overlooked. So while you are correct to say that the US would not abandon Taiwan merely because Taiwan did not “ask” the US to intervene at the moment of an attack, you are incorrect to not explain the big picture. If, in the years leading up to an attack, Taiwanese politicians such as Ma repeatedly give the impression that Taiwan is ungrateful or would prefer to be left to deal with China alone, it may make it easier for the US president, his advisers, and the US military establishement to rationalize non-intervention on the grounds that the Taiwanese don’t really want it. It happened to Tibet. It is happening again.

  2. During the DDP regim 3 years ago, for a period of 8 years of furious anti-china political rhetorics and policy, tHe US did jack to support the Taiwan cause. Taiwan was offered the most overpriced and out of date weapon sales that borders on the line of national humiliation. Weapons were required to be docked in HK so the China Military can examine them before transferring to Taiwan. People would think Taiwanese are been prepared to fight in the days of WW2. Now the KMT has a new approach to reduce the risk for Taiwanese, by speaking peace. So think about what has been done for Taiwan the next time money and lifes are being spent in Iraq and protests are being organzied for Tibet. The Taiwanese people are sick of being baited by a super power that abandoned the Taiwanese position a long time ago. Try to pick a fight now by humiliating Ma? Where are the F16′s??

  3. “Taiwan was offered the most overpriced and out of date weapon sales that borders on the line of national humiliation.”

    That’s funny. Do you mean the same weapons sale that the KMT legislature held up for years and that Ma gladly accepted once he was in power? Those same overpriced and out of date weapons?

    “The KMT has a new approach to reduce the risk for Taiwanese, by speaking peace.”

    You are right. The KMT does “speak” a lot about peace. Unfortunately, a vigorous defense and cooperation with allies is important to maintain the peace. Both Ma and the KMT Old Guard have put all their eggs in the basket of China — the one country that threatens to attack Taiwan. You have evidently never heard the expression, “Actions speak louder than words.”

    “Try to pick a fight now by humiliating Ma?”

    Ma does a good enough job humiliating himself. The words in question came out of his mouth. They were not ascribed to him falsely or erroneously.

  4. Such comments highten international confusion of what Taiwan really wants.
    The Taiwanese people are sick of being baited by a super power that abandoned the Taiwanese position a long time ago.

    But Taihan, Andrew, how can either of you refer to “what Taiwan wants” or what “the Taiwanese people are sick of”? Of course I can’t speak for Taiwan’s position myself – I’m a European. But you can’t speak for all of Taiwan either. You can only speak for yourselves, and for those who share your respective views.

    Your reference to Tibet is surely relevant, Taihan. But the Taiwanese opinions on your country’s future are divided. Taiwan will either defend or lose its independence as a country with differing opinions. Neither the Blue, nor the Green Camp, nor anyone else, can make those differences go away – and divisions will only run deeper if either the current government or the current opposition put the integrity of political opponents into question without good evidence. People of different views may have to fight together in the future – make sure there is some common ground, despite all differences. The differences need to be debated, but not in an unnecessarily personal way. President Ma and his party are wrong, but they aren’t the CCP.

    Even if Taiwan spoke in a more united way – not only concerning the peoples’ liberty, but also concerning the country’s identity -, the heart of the matter, I believe, would still be what America sees as its national interest. Wars and their mutilations aren’t taken accepted for mere idealism, and Taiwan as a single factor may or may not be reason enough to see such a national interest for America. Your opportunity for more international backing is a more practical kind of solidarity. China’s insistence that “Taiwan is a renegade province” makes us ask ourselves what China would define as its “legitimate rights” next, once they’d have got their way about Taiwan.

    That’s why I support everything that strengthens Taiwan’s profile in my environment. Just like people like us here, the Taiwanese people deserve to determine their own future – no matter what their desires for the future may be.

  5. Actually, you have misinterpreted my statement. I never said that I can speak for what Taiwanese want. I said that comments by Ma can cause confusion over what Taiwan really wants. Is Taiwan a region of China? Then why should Taiwan need to resist unification? Does Taiwan want to maintain its autonomy? Then why should Ma declare that Taiwan would not even ask for help against an invasion if it needed it? One set of politicians is sending mixed signals to Washington. How else should Washington react but with confusion and a lukewarm desire to help in any direction?

    The question isn’t over whether one party can speak for all of Taiwan. It is over failing to formulate a distinct response that could help Washington politicians formulate Taiwan policies. If Ma simply said, “our society is divided on this issue and we need time and support to make a decision without the threat of coercion, but we will make every effort to meet our defense needs on our own,” the message would be clearer: “Washington, it is business as usual.” Not: “Washington, we don’t need your help.” In context, the meaning is not as blunt, but there is definitely room to interpret his comments in this way.

  6. I can imagine that people want to resist unification because they consider themselves a Republic of China (and expect nothing less than a republic all over Taiwan and China), or because they consider themselves a Republic of Taiwan (and want to have no common state with China at all), or because they simply don’t want to be part of a “people’s republic”…
    There can be many reasons, right?

    As for president Ma’s “never” statement, I believe we think of it as a mistake. At the same time, as far as I can see, the most convincing message Taiwan can send to the world – regardless of who is in government – is that the Taiwanese want to maintain their liberties, their way of life, and their freedom to determine their future by themselves. That’s a message all freedom-loving people will understand. Everything else – as far as I can tell – can be confusing for the outside world, too.

    Obviously, decisions need to be debated, and be democratically prepared among the Taiwanese, step by step, into whatever directions that most citizens support. But those aspects will probably raise more interest within, than outside Taiwan.

  7. pretty good inspiring discussion above.

  8. “to suggest that America would stay on the sidelines in case of a war, simply because no request for help is being made, doesn’t look realistic either.”

    agreed. I also think the US would only consider the issue from the perspective of its own national interest instead of listening to the request by Taiwan.

    With regard to Ma’s statement that the Republic of China has been independent for 99 years, I may say he’s just alluding to his position that Taiwan is part of China, though it belongs to the Republic of China rather then the so-called People’s one. Whether Taiwan is ROC or just part of it is another question.

  9. My memory and this blog post suggest that the Taiwan Relations Act does not include Taiwan itself in the decision loop about whether to defend the island.

    The American Institute in Taiwan provides the text of the Taiwan Relations Act (TRA).

    This said, while Taiwan’s public opinion is diverse and should be recognized as diverse, I agree with Taihan that president Ma has made things unnecessarily difficult for Congress people like Robert Andrews.

    Whether Taiwan is ROC or just part of it is another question.
    Yeah – or if it is simply Taiwan. It’s a pretty big question. And it’s also a tactical question when it comes to how Taiwan can position itself best.

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