Comments on: Confucianism and Modernity (4) http://justrecently.wordpress.com/2009/06/20/confucianism-and-modernity-4/ China Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:45:55 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: woody http://justrecently.wordpress.com/2009/06/20/confucianism-and-modernity-4/#comment-3451 woody Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:11:15 +0000 http://justrecently.wordpress.com/?p=7059#comment-3451 The pattern as observed by Prof Yu Yingshi, the separation of institution, in some way led to the decline. Yes, of course, unless the politburo zealots force fed to the normal folks from young, or else it cannot be on its own. Are talking about Confucianism 2.0 ? :) Only way for Chinese to regain its identity, is to respect their individualism & freedom of thinking and expression , ever wonder why? People asking, Chinese hardly (very few) become great in their own soil, we see many famous academic prize winner (Nobel, Literature..etc) from Canada,US,Europe.. , unless they are somewhere out of China, or sometime spent out of China, that tells us something, right ? What we have been doing and preached isn;t great and is stopping us becoming great, maybe is time to move on. -woody. The pattern as observed by Prof Yu Yingshi, the separation of institution, in some way led to the decline. Yes, of course, unless the politburo zealots force fed to the normal folks from young, or else it cannot be on its own.

Are talking about Confucianism 2.0 ?

:)

Only way for Chinese to regain its identity, is to respect their individualism & freedom of thinking and expression , ever wonder why? People asking, Chinese hardly (very few) become great in their own soil, we see many famous academic prize winner (Nobel, Literature..etc) from Canada,US,Europe.. , unless they are somewhere out of China, or sometime spent out of China, that tells us something, right ? What we have been doing and preached isn;t great and is stopping us becoming great, maybe is time to move on.

-woody.

]]> By: justrecently http://justrecently.wordpress.com/2009/06/20/confucianism-and-modernity-4/#comment-3409 justrecently Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:40:02 +0000 http://justrecently.wordpress.com/?p=7059#comment-3409 Hehe. I wish you had written a comment I could flatly quarrel with. ;) I'm not sure if Confucianism really <b>has</b> to be an opressive system of thoughts, and suppose that this is what the author refers to when encouraging "Confucianness" rather than Confucian religion or Confucian school. But I can't disagree with your comment, and be it only because other Chinese "schools" are completely left out of account, especially Taoism, but also Buddhism. My take is that proponents of Confucian revival - in an orthodox way - believe that Taoism is in no such position, and that researchers like Peng Guoxiang or the author might believe that Taoism is "within" Confucianism. Christian religion, Islam (or atheism, too) aren't even mentioned - maybe suggesting Christian religion is as Chinese as any other popular religion there would amount to "westernization"? Anyway - Confucianism isn't the only important Chinese philosophy, and that alone makes me skeptical of the ideas described in the essay, the liberal ones included. But it is an interesting review of what <i>Confucian scholars</i> are thinking, isn't it? Hehe. I wish you had written a comment I could flatly quarrel with. ;)
I’m not sure if Confucianism really has to be an opressive system of thoughts, and suppose that this is what the author refers to when encouraging “Confucianness” rather than Confucian religion or Confucian school.
But I can’t disagree with your comment, and be it only because other Chinese “schools” are completely left out of account, especially Taoism, but also Buddhism. My take is that proponents of Confucian revival – in an orthodox way – believe that Taoism is in no such position, and that researchers like Peng Guoxiang or the author might believe that Taoism is “within” Confucianism.
Christian religion, Islam (or atheism, too) aren’t even mentioned – maybe suggesting Christian religion is as Chinese as any other popular religion there would amount to “westernization”?
Anyway – Confucianism isn’t the only important Chinese philosophy, and that alone makes me skeptical of the ideas described in the essay, the liberal ones included.
But it is an interesting review of what Confucian scholars are thinking, isn’t it?

]]> By: woody http://justrecently.wordpress.com/2009/06/20/confucianism-and-modernity-4/#comment-3404 woody Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:50:04 +0000 http://justrecently.wordpress.com/?p=7059#comment-3404 I am not that fond of Confucianism. For a simple reason, two dynasties where influence of Confucianism was at its lowest point, we had the most poets and most poems written namely, Tang & Soong, it was most beautiful & creative era, see the pattern. Confucianism is at best, helping the emperor / politburo doing crowd control, to justify its oppressive tactics on normal people on the street. Feel free to disagree ,, -woody I am not that fond of Confucianism. For a simple reason, two dynasties where influence of Confucianism was at its lowest point, we had the most poets and most poems written namely, Tang & Soong, it was most beautiful & creative era, see the pattern.

Confucianism is at best, helping the emperor / politburo doing crowd control, to justify its oppressive tactics on normal people on the street.

Feel free to disagree ,,
-woody

]]>